Page Last Updated : April 19th, 2009
RAZOR EDGE Bloodline.....How it all began....
This is a long one, very sorry. It might not be anything you want to read. But for all the heated people today, here is some history
on what made this line. Maybe once your done reading, you will have relaxed from the boredom! LOL No offense to anyone by
this post either, jsut some info and answers to some rumors. Before RE was really a line, there was a concept. There was also
alot of learning....
Some people have asked me how Razors Edge was formed. I guess there are a lot of misconceptions and rumors floating
around. For those who have no interest, excuse this post. For those that may think this post pertains to them, it doesn't. Just
history and the way it is. If you take offense, then you must be spreading lies!
Razors Edge was started in MD and DC long before there was ever a Knuckles. My friend Carlos Barksdale and I started it with
game dogs. We researched everything we could find. We read every book publicized at that time. Subscribed to many dog
magazines like the ADBA Gazette, even some underground ones. We called damn near every breeder that we could find and
questioned them, lol. If it said Pit, we were on it. We all had already owned some unpapered BYB Pits. We even had our own Pit
club and went hiking and other things back in the woods. Eventually we got enough money to get some real papered, good
bloodline, game dogs. We purchased some of the best around at the time. Even paid $3500 way back then for a Grandson of
the great "Plumbers Alligator", mainly Mayfield lines. We were very heavy into the game lines. I had dogs from Hemphill/Wilder
blood. These were big game dogs.
Later on I hooked up with George Williams in DC and we purchased a dog we named Diablo, from Wildside Kennels. Diablo's dad
was a bigger catch dog, "Hollinsworth Bull". His mom was a game girl names "Wildsides Ms.Leaky". This was the turn around time
when Razors Edge started adding more size.
The first ever registered "ADBA" Razors Edge breeding was from my Mayfield boy Zeus to a Mayfield girl name Jinx. Jinx was
actually given to friend back then named Curt Plater. Now CLP Kennels. He owned the first ever Razors Edge dog. We would lose
contact after this for many years before hooking up again.
I had another pure Colby male named Dante that was placed in DC with my man Dave Conrad. Dante went on and shook up DC,
but that was the old days, lol.
They banned Pits in PG County and I was forced to move. Eventually through my job in the Pet Store industry I landed a mangers
job at a Pet Store in Va. Virginia was the spot for pet lovers! I managed a Pet Store, worked as a professional dog trainer, and
still bred bigger ADBA game dogs. Basically, I bred my own now. I also put fliers n the Washington Post explaining what the breed
was and what Razors Edge was. I had to move to Va.
I hooked up with Jeannie Howe who became a co-owner of Razors Edge.
I met a guy name Ron Smith who came aboard and took it to another level.
I saw this blue dog named "Steel Town Blue Monday"! I was hooked! Ron already knew every UKC and AKC breeder under the
son. He had been researching on his own for years. So this man had all the pictures, info, etc…. He had fliers and pictures from
every AKC and UKC breeder from Coast to coast. He literally had pictures of almost all the dogs in all these pedigrees. That man
really is the "Pit Guru".
We first contact Cock 'n' Bull Kennels, the ones that produced Monday. They turned us onto people in Cali with that blood.
Candace Eggart was one. Candy sent us pictures of what she had and what she had going on. Just to give you a time frame. She
sold a dog years later to Tony Moore named Showtime! Showtime went on to be one of the foundation bitches in the Greyline! So
this was years before Greyline was even around.
We went to every breeder on the East Coast. Up north to Bobby Morehouse, Beth Jones, My man Lee Fitzgerald, Flying A's,
Minot's Ledge, etc…… We actually purchased a blue brindle female named "Sadey" from Minot's Ledge. This litter was had an
extraordinary pedigree. The top half were mainly Flying A's dogs like "Oreo" and "Reo Speedwagon". Dogs I had seen and liked.
You could see in the extended pedigree how these dogs stemmed from Ruffian dogs. Then you could see how it went back even
further from the AKC Ruffian dog to the UKC Colby dogs. This top half of the pedigree actually showed how Pits eventually were
registered as Staffs! I thought that was cool to see on paper and in a dog I owned. Then the bottom half of the ped went right
back to Stratton dogs. Dogs like Going light Barney, dogs I grew up reading about! Thanks to Richard Stratton, LOL! Then
behind them were the same Colby dogs I saw on the top half of the pedigree. So I had this dog that showed the history of the Am.
Staff and the directions the Colby line went in the UKC. We also purchased a male named "Razors Edge Blue Maxx". His top half
was a dog named "StoryTime's Upon this Rock" AKA "Peter" Peter was a dog bred by Beth Jones. He was a big ass dog, but
kinda ugly. They bred him to "Wassuc's Farm Maggie May". I really liked this compact girl. We researched her lines and found
she was Ryan. When we got to see the Ryan dogs we were surprised to see they were game dogs. They were AKC registered
Staffs, but they still bred for game dogs! This was something I had never seen, I'm sure that's why the AKC people didn't like that
line, lol. However; I loved it! Bully, game, blue, staffs! Now that's what I am talking about! LOL Maxx was our boy from this blood.
Now Razors Edge was big ADBA game dogs, one UKC Blue Brindle girl, and a Big hot Blue Fawn AKC boy.
In Va there was Sharon Stone of Cloverhill, who had the biggest Staffs I had ever seen! Her old stuff was huge! Too tall for what I
was looking for, but huge! They changed years later and went more showy. Paco, was in my opinion actually a throw back of her
older days. Ginny York, Pam Perdue, GiGi, The Garretts, etc….We visited them all. Even went down to Florida and checked out
Marsha Woods. Met KC Courtier of Watchdog Kennels. Eventually, we went up to Md and met Kimmar Kennels. As soon as I
stepped on the ranch, I knew I had found the build I was looking for! The Razors Edge package was almost complete.
We also had been advertising in the Washington Post for many years. Some young Kats from DC used to come down and hang
out and bring their dogs. Edwin Salinas and Joey Nevils were two of them. These guys had been buying dogs from Kimmar and
mixing their own stuff in them too. Kimmar used to have an add in the post under the Pit Bull adds, it said "Petey pups". They
didn't want their dogs to be labeled as Pits; but they advertised directly under Pits? Hmmmmmm? Not as Staff? Anyway, local
Kats knew the deal and picked up a lot of her dogs. Joey, Edwin, Joey's pop, and their boys had a bunch of these dogs. Even
some old friends of mine Jerry and Gerrold had yards with these dogs. We all also had game stuff in the mix. I tapped into a lot of
their dogs as well.
In Kimmar's yard I learned a lot about breeding and genetics. I spent every weekend there for almost three years. I actually put
on a training class for all her buyers every Sunday.
Razors Edge had been breeding now for a few generations. We even used a lot of her dogs from other people in the mix. Ron,
also had some York dogs, and some other AKC stuff, we experimented with. Before we got Knuckles or any of them, Razors Edge
was already in the game. Kimmar actually used our dog Maxx for some breedings. Eventually we purchased around 15 dogs from
her line, including Knuckles and Rage. While these pups were growing, Razors Edge already had it's formula. We just wanted a
different head. We also were not given papers on some of these dogs and they had to be UKC registered instead! This is where
Razors Edge became heavily involved in UKC.
Ron made a sharp turn and went back into the game dogs. He jumped heavy into the RedBoy line and vanished?
I started searching for a better head and came into some Watchdog stuff. KC was not breeding anymore, so I had to find that
blood somewhere else. I bought dogs from Grapevine Kennels. I hit up Hughzee's, who I believe later on became Chaos Kennels.
We had been talking to Pam from Gaff Kennels for a few years, and really liked a boy name Seiko! So we got a dog from her. We
experimented with a lot of lines and different dogs. Razors Edge started having a real consistent look. The heads were big, but
we still wanted the to be a little more blocky. A few generations later it was pretty much there.
The reason for posting this is because we have been asked how this line began. Also to show that it goes way beyond the dogs
you see today. It wasn't just as easy as breeding two dogs and waiting a couple of generations and calling it a line. This was
creation from research, and as you can see, many years and lines went into it. This is just the backbone info too. Razors Edge
had many ears to follow before the line was complete.
Razors Edge Maxx had kids featured on the cover of DogWorld at this time. So the name was out, and Knuckles was still a pup!
Then one day a man called from an advertisement we placed in The Washington Post. He came by with this little blocky head
blue puppy male he called Mr.Brooks. There it was, the final ingredient. By the way, this was 1992 ish. Gary and I collaborated on
many breedings from that point on. We both started showing our dogs and doing quite well in the ring. By 1994 Razors Edge had
it's final look and was consistently producing it. Thanks to all these lines and people involved. A lot happened from that point
on…..but that's an even longer story, lol. A lot of people claim to know these dogs and this line; but this is before they got into the
dogs.
Dogs like ShortShot were made almost 4 years later and remained in Razors Edge yard until around 1999. Then we were
reunited with an old friend Curt, and he was placed with him. He had the first RE dog ever made and he got one of the best RE
dogs created!
I use him for an example, to explain how these dogs went into other yards and onto other lines and kennels. Razors Edge dogs
were always placed amongst friends. That was the point of the line, to share with everyone. A lot of the guys came around years
later and also got into this line. No this isn't against True Tank, like it may be perceived. I don't have any problem with that. What I
have a problem with is people discrediting the line and saying it's just this and this. Without giving credit to all the years it took to
make it. Now the way I see TT posting these days is very respectful. There is an understanding, they use this line as their
foundation. Maybe things haven't gone smooth, but now it has gone in a better direction. Respect for that. Respect for using this
line.
To dispel the rumors………
Name changes: a lot of people have got dogs from Razors Edge and changed the names and added their own. We all know how
wrong that is!
Mixing in other breeds: Never happened at Razors Edge. Yes some lines out there have done that, and they know. No, I will not
be the one to drop the dime, it's not my line nor my place.
Razors Edge and a Presa Canario: Yes, we owned the first Canary dog ever in the US. I actually got the club in the Canary
Islands the program to start their registry. I was friends with the head of the Club in the Canary Islands in Spain. In return, they
sent me the first Canary dog ever in the USA. He was 3 months old, I kept him until he was slightly over 5 months. After owning
Pits, I was too picky, so I couldn't get over the look. I placed him with friends Steve and Carla of Alexandria. They went on to be
Presa breeders. I never saw the boy again. So, I never mixed another blood into the line! That is a taboo to me! I am and always
have been a true Pit man. I stay true to the breed and that's that. I really don't like the looks of Mastiffs and Bulldogs anyway.
When you cross them, it make a Bandog!!!!!!!! Razors Edge may not be the purpose of the original Pits, but at least the blood
stayed pure!
You CAN make dogs like this without adding in another breed. A shortcut is not the answer! It just takes time, and patience isn't
easy!
Paper faking, you know I'm not going to comment on this. The way I see it, everything I've heard is always about dogs I owned or
had in my yard. Either way, they question things that were all here. My answer……you weren't in my yard, stop speculating. Make
your own accomplishments and stop trying to tarnish others!
All this gossip……Man that is some petty shit! Let's enjoy what we have, while we can.
The real deal…….. These dogs might not be around if we don't come together and fight!
Thank you for the time, and for those who asked, that's some Razors Edge history before what you can see today.
Respect
Dave Wilson
This is a long one, very sorry. It might not be anything you want to read. But for all the heated people today, here is some history
on what made this line. Maybe once your done reading, you will have relaxed from the boredom! LOL No offense to anyone by
this post either, jsut some info and answers to some rumors. Before RE was really a line, there was a concept. There was also
alot of learning....
Some people have asked me how Razors Edge was formed. I guess there are a lot of misconceptions and rumors floating
around. For those who have no interest, excuse this post. For those that may think this post pertains to them, it doesn't. Just
history and the way it is. If you take offense, then you must be spreading lies!
Razors Edge was started in MD and DC long before there was ever a Knuckles. My friend Carlos Barksdale and I started it with
game dogs. We researched everything we could find. We read every book publicized at that time. Subscribed to many dog
magazines like the ADBA Gazette, even some underground ones. We called damn near every breeder that we could find and
questioned them, lol. If it said Pit, we were on it. We all had already owned some unpapered BYB Pits. We even had our own Pit
club and went hiking and other things back in the woods. Eventually we got enough money to get some real papered, good
bloodline, game dogs. We purchased some of the best around at the time. Even paid $3500 way back then for a Grandson of
the great "Plumbers Alligator", mainly Mayfield lines. We were very heavy into the game lines. I had dogs from Hemphill/Wilder
blood. These were big game dogs.
Later on I hooked up with George Williams in DC and we purchased a dog we named Diablo, from Wildside Kennels. Diablo's dad
was a bigger catch dog, "Hollinsworth Bull". His mom was a game girl names "Wildsides Ms.Leaky". This was the turn around time
when Razors Edge started adding more size.
The first ever registered "ADBA" Razors Edge breeding was from my Mayfield boy Zeus to a Mayfield girl name Jinx. Jinx was
actually given to friend back then named Curt Plater. Now CLP Kennels. He owned the first ever Razors Edge dog. We would lose
contact after this for many years before hooking up again.
I had another pure Colby male named Dante that was placed in DC with my man Dave Conrad. Dante went on and shook up DC,
but that was the old days, lol.
They banned Pits in PG County and I was forced to move. Eventually through my job in the Pet Store industry I landed a mangers
job at a Pet Store in Va. Virginia was the spot for pet lovers! I managed a Pet Store, worked as a professional dog trainer, and
still bred bigger ADBA game dogs. Basically, I bred my own now. I also put fliers n the Washington Post explaining what the breed
was and what Razors Edge was. I had to move to Va.
I hooked up with Jeannie Howe who became a co-owner of Razors Edge.
I met a guy name Ron Smith who came aboard and took it to another level.
I saw this blue dog named "Steel Town Blue Monday"! I was hooked! Ron already knew every UKC and AKC breeder under the
son. He had been researching on his own for years. So this man had all the pictures, info, etc…. He had fliers and pictures from
every AKC and UKC breeder from Coast to coast. He literally had pictures of almost all the dogs in all these pedigrees. That man
really is the "Pit Guru".
We first contact Cock 'n' Bull Kennels, the ones that produced Monday. They turned us onto people in Cali with that blood.
Candace Eggart was one. Candy sent us pictures of what she had and what she had going on. Just to give you a time frame. She
sold a dog years later to Tony Moore named Showtime! Showtime went on to be one of the foundation bitches in the Greyline! So
this was years before Greyline was even around.
We went to every breeder on the East Coast. Up north to Bobby Morehouse, Beth Jones, My man Lee Fitzgerald, Flying A's,
Minot's Ledge, etc…… We actually purchased a blue brindle female named "Sadey" from Minot's Ledge. This litter was had an
extraordinary pedigree. The top half were mainly Flying A's dogs like "Oreo" and "Reo Speedwagon". Dogs I had seen and liked.
You could see in the extended pedigree how these dogs stemmed from Ruffian dogs. Then you could see how it went back even
further from the AKC Ruffian dog to the UKC Colby dogs. This top half of the pedigree actually showed how Pits eventually were
registered as Staffs! I thought that was cool to see on paper and in a dog I owned. Then the bottom half of the ped went right
back to Stratton dogs. Dogs like Going light Barney, dogs I grew up reading about! Thanks to Richard Stratton, LOL! Then
behind them were the same Colby dogs I saw on the top half of the pedigree. So I had this dog that showed the history of the Am.
Staff and the directions the Colby line went in the UKC. We also purchased a male named "Razors Edge Blue Maxx". His top half
was a dog named "StoryTime's Upon this Rock" AKA "Peter" Peter was a dog bred by Beth Jones. He was a big ass dog, but
kinda ugly. They bred him to "Wassuc's Farm Maggie May". I really liked this compact girl. We researched her lines and found
she was Ryan. When we got to see the Ryan dogs we were surprised to see they were game dogs. They were AKC registered
Staffs, but they still bred for game dogs! This was something I had never seen, I'm sure that's why the AKC people didn't like that
line, lol. However; I loved it! Bully, game, blue, staffs! Now that's what I am talking about! LOL Maxx was our boy from this blood.
Now Razors Edge was big ADBA game dogs, one UKC Blue Brindle girl, and a Big hot Blue Fawn AKC boy.
In Va there was Sharon Stone of Cloverhill, who had the biggest Staffs I had ever seen! Her old stuff was huge! Too tall for what I
was looking for, but huge! They changed years later and went more showy. Paco, was in my opinion actually a throw back of her
older days. Ginny York, Pam Perdue, GiGi, The Garretts, etc….We visited them all. Even went down to Florida and checked out
Marsha Woods. Met KC Courtier of Watchdog Kennels. Eventually, we went up to Md and met Kimmar Kennels. As soon as I
stepped on the ranch, I knew I had found the build I was looking for! The Razors Edge package was almost complete.
We also had been advertising in the Washington Post for many years. Some young Kats from DC used to come down and hang
out and bring their dogs. Edwin Salinas and Joey Nevils were two of them. These guys had been buying dogs from Kimmar and
mixing their own stuff in them too. Kimmar used to have an add in the post under the Pit Bull adds, it said "Petey pups". They
didn't want their dogs to be labeled as Pits; but they advertised directly under Pits? Hmmmmmm? Not as Staff? Anyway, local
Kats knew the deal and picked up a lot of her dogs. Joey, Edwin, Joey's pop, and their boys had a bunch of these dogs. Even
some old friends of mine Jerry and Gerrold had yards with these dogs. We all also had game stuff in the mix. I tapped into a lot of
their dogs as well.
In Kimmar's yard I learned a lot about breeding and genetics. I spent every weekend there for almost three years. I actually put
on a training class for all her buyers every Sunday.
Razors Edge had been breeding now for a few generations. We even used a lot of her dogs from other people in the mix. Ron,
also had some York dogs, and some other AKC stuff, we experimented with. Before we got Knuckles or any of them, Razors Edge
was already in the game. Kimmar actually used our dog Maxx for some breedings. Eventually we purchased around 15 dogs from
her line, including Knuckles and Rage. While these pups were growing, Razors Edge already had it's formula. We just wanted a
different head. We also were not given papers on some of these dogs and they had to be UKC registered instead! This is where
Razors Edge became heavily involved in UKC.
Ron made a sharp turn and went back into the game dogs. He jumped heavy into the RedBoy line and vanished?
I started searching for a better head and came into some Watchdog stuff. KC was not breeding anymore, so I had to find that
blood somewhere else. I bought dogs from Grapevine Kennels. I hit up Hughzee's, who I believe later on became Chaos Kennels.
We had been talking to Pam from Gaff Kennels for a few years, and really liked a boy name Seiko! So we got a dog from her. We
experimented with a lot of lines and different dogs. Razors Edge started having a real consistent look. The heads were big, but
we still wanted the to be a little more blocky. A few generations later it was pretty much there.
The reason for posting this is because we have been asked how this line began. Also to show that it goes way beyond the dogs
you see today. It wasn't just as easy as breeding two dogs and waiting a couple of generations and calling it a line. This was
creation from research, and as you can see, many years and lines went into it. This is just the backbone info too. Razors Edge
had many ears to follow before the line was complete.
Razors Edge Maxx had kids featured on the cover of DogWorld at this time. So the name was out, and Knuckles was still a pup!
Then one day a man called from an advertisement we placed in The Washington Post. He came by with this little blocky head
blue puppy male he called Mr.Brooks. There it was, the final ingredient. By the way, this was 1992 ish. Gary and I collaborated on
many breedings from that point on. We both started showing our dogs and doing quite well in the ring. By 1994 Razors Edge had
it's final look and was consistently producing it. Thanks to all these lines and people involved. A lot happened from that point
on…..but that's an even longer story, lol. A lot of people claim to know these dogs and this line; but this is before they got into the
dogs.
Dogs like ShortShot were made almost 4 years later and remained in Razors Edge yard until around 1999. Then we were
reunited with an old friend Curt, and he was placed with him. He had the first RE dog ever made and he got one of the best RE
dogs created!
I use him for an example, to explain how these dogs went into other yards and onto other lines and kennels. Razors Edge dogs
were always placed amongst friends. That was the point of the line, to share with everyone. A lot of the guys came around years
later and also got into this line. No this isn't against True Tank, like it may be perceived. I don't have any problem with that. What I
have a problem with is people discrediting the line and saying it's just this and this. Without giving credit to all the years it took to
make it. Now the way I see TT posting these days is very respectful. There is an understanding, they use this line as their
foundation. Maybe things haven't gone smooth, but now it has gone in a better direction. Respect for that. Respect for using this
line.
To dispel the rumors………
Name changes: a lot of people have got dogs from Razors Edge and changed the names and added their own. We all know how
wrong that is!
Mixing in other breeds: Never happened at Razors Edge. Yes some lines out there have done that, and they know. No, I will not
be the one to drop the dime, it's not my line nor my place.
Razors Edge and a Presa Canario: Yes, we owned the first Canary dog ever in the US. I actually got the club in the Canary
Islands the program to start their registry. I was friends with the head of the Club in the Canary Islands in Spain. In return, they
sent me the first Canary dog ever in the USA. He was 3 months old, I kept him until he was slightly over 5 months. After owning
Pits, I was too picky, so I couldn't get over the look. I placed him with friends Steve and Carla of Alexandria. They went on to be
Presa breeders. I never saw the boy again. So, I never mixed another blood into the line! That is a taboo to me! I am and always
have been a true Pit man. I stay true to the breed and that's that. I really don't like the looks of Mastiffs and Bulldogs anyway.
When you cross them, it make a Bandog!!!!!!!! Razors Edge may not be the purpose of the original Pits, but at least the blood
stayed pure!
You CAN make dogs like this without adding in another breed. A shortcut is not the answer! It just takes time, and patience isn't
easy!
Paper faking, you know I'm not going to comment on this. The way I see it, everything I've heard is always about dogs I owned or
had in my yard. Either way, they question things that were all here. My answer……you weren't in my yard, stop speculating. Make
your own accomplishments and stop trying to tarnish others!
All this gossip……Man that is some petty shit! Let's enjoy what we have, while we can.
The real deal…….. These dogs might not be around if we don't come together and fight!
Thank you for the time, and for those who asked, that's some Razors Edge history before what you can see today.
Respect
Dave Wilson
RAZOR'S EDGE HISTORY by Dave Wilson (Founder of R.E.)
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